Talk:crew - Revision history

Lou Montana: Text replacement - " (={2,})([^ = ])(.)([^ = ])(={2,}) " to " $1 $2$3$4 $5 "

2021-01-31T18:23:24Z

Text replacement - " (={2,})([^ = ])(.*)([^ = ])(={2,}) * " to " $1 $2$3$4 $5 "

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	--[[User:Terox\|Terox]] 23:25, 6 February 2013 (CET)		--[[User:Terox\|Terox]] 23:25, 6 February 2013 (CET)

	==Relevance of old notes==		== Relevance of old notes ==
	This command's functionality has changed over time, and older versions of it were noted to return different results than it does now. In the past therefore, code written to get the crew of a vehicle may have done seemingly odd things with this command, or used workarounds to accomplish desired results. The value therefore of older notes can be to inform readers that although we now enjoy a certain type of behaviour, there may once have been good reason to do what would now seem illogical or ridiculous.		This command's functionality has changed over time, and older versions of it were noted to return different results than it does now. In the past therefore, code written to get the crew of a vehicle may have done seemingly odd things with this command, or used workarounds to accomplish desired results. The value therefore of older notes can be to inform readers that although we now enjoy a certain type of behaviour, there may once have been good reason to do what would now seem illogical or ridiculous.

Fred Gandt: /* Relevance of old notes */ kk kk

2014-08-02T22:41:57Z

Relevance of old notes: kk kk

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	:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)
	::::Is History not enough on BIKI? You can travel back in time to the beginning of the universe if you want to, doesn't mean all the edits should be listed on the command page for reference. The comment I deleted was obviously a note about bug, as crew was meant to return all crew. 7 years old note with dead link, do we really need to start hoarding useless notes? --KK		::::Is History not enough on BIKI? You can travel back in time to the beginning of the universe if you want to, doesn't mean all the edits should be listed on the command page for reference. The comment I deleted was obviously a note about bug, as crew was meant to return all crew. 7 years old note with dead link, do we really need to start hoarding useless notes? --KK
			:::::Well then, I agree. If it was a note about buggy behaviour, it should never have been there. So that's that ;-p
			:::::But more seriously, the history of a page is often not the clearest way to see the history of the subject, as many changes are purely layout and the like.
			:::::Less seriously again, I'm a hoarder. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 00:41, 3 August 2014 (CEST)

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

2014-08-02T22:24:41Z

Relevance of old notes

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	:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around.		:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around.
	:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)
	::::Is History not enough on BIKI? You can travel back in time to the beginning of the universe if you want to, doesn't mean all the edits should be listed on the command page for reference. The comment I deleted was obviously a note about bug, as crew was meant to return all crew. 7 years old note with dead link, do we really need to start hoarding useless notes?		::::Is History not enough on BIKI? You can travel back in time to the beginning of the universe if you want to, doesn't mean all the edits should be listed on the command page for reference. The comment I deleted was obviously a note about bug, as crew was meant to return all crew. 7 years old note with dead link, do we really need to start hoarding useless notes? --KK

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

2014-08-02T22:24:27Z

Relevance of old notes

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	:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around.		:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around.
	:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)
			::::Is History not enough on BIKI? You can travel back in time to the beginning of the universe if you want to, doesn't mean all the edits should be listed on the command page for reference. The comment I deleted was obviously a note about bug, as crew was meant to return all crew. 7 years old note with dead link, do we really need to start hoarding useless notes?

Fred Gandt: /* Relevance of old notes */ removed one of my two signatures O.o

2014-08-02T21:28:15Z

Relevance of old notes: removed one of my two signatures O.o

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	:::But surely as a reference it needs to document all past and present behaviour that wasn't supposed to be documented elsewhere? ''i.e.'' If the note wasn't about bugged behaviour, but rather previously expected behaviour, it's good to note that.		:::But surely as a reference it needs to document all past and present behaviour that wasn't supposed to be documented elsewhere? ''i.e.'' If the note wasn't about bugged behaviour, but rather previously expected behaviour, it's good to note that.
	:::I agree that sentiment has no place, but not that this is not at least in some small way a history of the development of the platform. Consider that although ''e,g,'' Arma 2 can be considered ''another game'' is is in a more true sense, an earlier version of Arma that is now obsolete (queue the sentimental backlash). If so, we should if following your edict be scrubbing the site clean of all references to it. Obviously that should not be done (I would argue in favour of separating the documentation for different games though).		:::I agree that sentiment has no place, but not that this is not at least in some small way a history of the development of the platform. Consider that although ''e,g,'' Arma 2 can be considered ''another game'' is is in a more true sense, an earlier version of Arma that is now obsolete (queue the sentimental backlash). If so, we should if following your edict be scrubbing the site clean of all references to it. Obviously that should not be done (I would argue in favour of separating the documentation for different games though).
	:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around.
	:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)

Fred Gandt: /* Relevance of old notes */ ...If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced...

2014-08-02T21:26:48Z

Relevance of old notes: ...If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced...

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	:: Well, the notes are not good representation of the history of command changes. Bugs have to be reported to the bug tracker and if someone left a note about a bug that later was fixed, why keep it? Nostalgia? Sentiment? BIKI is the reference and not a history book. --KK		:: Well, the notes are not good representation of the history of command changes. Bugs have to be reported to the bug tracker and if someone left a note about a bug that later was fixed, why keep it? Nostalgia? Sentiment? BIKI is the reference and not a history book. --KK

			:::But surely as a reference it needs to document all past and present behaviour that wasn't supposed to be documented elsewhere? ''i.e.'' If the note wasn't about bugged behaviour, but rather previously expected behaviour, it's good to note that.
			:::I agree that sentiment has no place, but not that this is not at least in some small way a history of the development of the platform. Consider that although ''e,g,'' Arma 2 can be considered ''another game'' is is in a more true sense, an earlier version of Arma that is now obsolete (queue the sentimental backlash). If so, we should if following your edict be scrubbing the site clean of all references to it. Obviously that should not be done (I would argue in favour of separating the documentation for different games though).
			:::With a platform like this, we have so many versions out there being run and used, that we have to provide documentation for all of them, especially since much code gets passed from project to project in the typical ugly script kiddie fashion we know and loath. If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced or seemingly unnecessarily worked around. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)
			:::I would consider a site like php.net as a good role model, where we find that all behaviours are noted with qualifications by date or version, so that older code may be better understood. -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 23:26, 2 August 2014 (CEST)

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

2014-08-02T19:48:16Z

Relevance of old notes

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	In summary then: Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later? -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 20:43, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		In summary then: Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later? -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 20:43, 2 August 2014 (CEST)

	:: Well, the notes are not good representation of the history of command changes. Bugs have to be reported to the bug tracker and if someone left a note about a bug that later was fixed, why keep it? Nostalgia? Sentiment? BIKI is the reference and not a history book.		:: Well, the notes are not good representation of the history of command changes. Bugs have to be reported to the bug tracker and if someone left a note about a bug that later was fixed, why keep it? Nostalgia? Sentiment? BIKI is the reference and not a history book. --KK

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

2014-08-02T19:48:03Z

Relevance of old notes

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	In summary then: Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later? -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 20:43, 2 August 2014 (CEST)		In summary then: Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later? -- [[User:Fred Gandt\|Fred Gandt]] <span style="font-size:80%;vertical-align:3px;line-height:0px;">([[User talk:Fred Gandt\|talk]]\|[[Special:Contributions/Fred Gandt\|contribs]])</span> 20:43, 2 August 2014 (CEST)

			:: Well, the notes are not good representation of the history of command changes. Bugs have to be reported to the bug tracker and if someone left a note about a bug that later was fixed, why keep it? Nostalgia? Sentiment? BIKI is the reference and not a history book.

Fred Gandt: Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later?

2014-08-02T18:43:49Z

Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later?

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 Unfortunately the returned crew array will not always be in the format
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 For example "CrewCount"
 --[[User:Terox|Terox]] 23:25, 6 February 2013 (CET)

Terox at 22:25, 6 February 2013

2013-02-06T22:25:49Z

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	(count crew _vehicle)		(count crew _vehicle)

			You still need to use
			Gunner _vehicle
			Driver _vehicle
			Commander _vehicle

			to return the actual crew positions correctly

	What may be more useful would be to have the crew return an array that does not resize		What may be more useful would be to have the crew return an array that does not resize
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	For example "CrewCount"		For example "CrewCount"
			--[[User:Terox\|Terox]] 23:25, 6 February 2013 (CET)

Talk:crew - Revision history

Lou Montana: Text replacement - " (={2,})([^ = ])(.*)([^ = ])(={2,}) * " to " $1 $2$3$4 $5 "

Fred Gandt: /* Relevance of old notes */ kk kk

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

Fred Gandt: /* Relevance of old notes */ removed one of my two signatures O.o

Fred Gandt: /* Relevance of old notes */ ...If only for purely educational reasons, it is thus a good idea to keep track of why certain issues may be experienced...

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

Killzone Kid: /* Relevance of old notes */

Fred Gandt: Perhaps until we have rid of the mess of tacked-on appendages we know as notes, can we just leave them alone as a historical reference to work from later?

Terox at 22:25, 6 February 2013

Lou Montana: Text replacement - " (={2,})([^ = ])(.)([^ = ])(={2,}) " to " $1 $2$3$4 $5 "